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Is Sephiroth truly the greatest video game villain of all time?

Yes indeed.
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Nah, Diablo's badder.
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Kefka's supreme.
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Kefka's supreme.
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What about orcs?
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I've no idea.
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Postby Shadow_Wolf666 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:51 am

I think Kefka's theme music is cool just because it has a cocky-ish feel to it.
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Postby Gravendor » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:19 pm

Seph the greatest video game villain? i cont agree. i just have never found him that great.
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Postby LokiAesir » Fri May 29, 2009 7:27 pm

Most definately, everything about him just screams badass. Though the downside to that is that my girlfriend actually told me that she would leave me for Sephiroth if she was given the opportunity. :?

........If only I could grow my hair long enough to dress as him for Halloween. :(
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Postby Cinderella_Syndrome » Fri May 29, 2009 7:31 pm

Sephiroth is so badass ^_^
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Postby Mikebassist » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:08 am

Sephiroth is the most badass in my opinion. This was made more so in the Advent Children movie, and even more so by the classical metal version of his theme tune.
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Postby Mickey » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:19 am

I never found Sephiroth all that. I think that on a personal basis, FFIX's Kuja wins, in every regard, just a more believable character, and both Kuja and Kefka are frankly more threatening than Sephy.

Kuja nearly finished existence, which kind of dibbses the biscuit, and Kefka made himself a God.
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Postby Filth » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:06 am

First I'll say I've never finished any of the FF games. The closesty I got was about 45% of FFX. However, reading up about FF7 story line and everything it involved isn't hard to come by so I'd say I'm decently informed about the guy. Sure, he's got the looks that will draw in all the fan-boys/girls but that hardly put him on a pedestal. The seven foot sword while not being unique or original in the world of Japanese crap I do think has to a certain degree become 'his'.

Again this alone does not set the one winged angel above the rest of the villanous crowd. No. Sure, other villians have done far eviler (eviler?) things but that's not the point of the question.

What makes Seph great is that you can understand where he's coming from, you can feel for him and quite possibly cheer for him to come out on top even though you know it's your job to stop him. Few video games have told a story as great as FF7's. It's one I truly enjoy even though I've never played the game.

You can go into a million reason why FF7 was a great game and I'm not even a fan of it. Sephiroth was one large piece of that great story line and besides the list of what he did is pretty cool and a nice change from what the average villain's goals in life are.

Black_Widow wrote:Well let's see. Sephiroth not only.

a.) completed the Genocide that his mother started by wiping out the VERY LAST member of an entire species.

but then

b.) Decided that just wasn't good enough and summoned an enormous meteor to destroy the entire planet.

THEN after that failed (Into the realms of Advent Children now, kiddos) he

c.) Decided that he would harness the power of a planet-wide PLAGUE that had NO CURE to turne the Lifestream (Effectively the SOUL of a planet) into a power that he could use to make the ENTIRE PLANET move so that he could use it as a form of spaceship to go and slaughter more and more life-forms all across the universe.


Let's not forget he killed the healer. That earns him a few bonus points as far as video game villians go.

I can't say he's the greatest video game villian ever but there are few especially in the realm of video games that can hold a candle to him because once again it's not the looks, the sword or the evil deeds that set him apart but all those things combined with a great and well executed story-line that makes him so great.

He's easily be the best were I not such a big fan of Kain.

Just so you all know where I coming from: my four four favorite villians ever are: Kain (L.O.K.), Sephiroth, The Joker (best voiced by Mark Ham) and the Drug Addict Robot from Robocop 2.

[Edit:] I'm surprised I haven't stumbled upon a novelization of FF7 story-line by now.
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Postby Kameru » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:42 am

No novelization I’m aware of, though there is an animation of the flashback sequence floating around on you tube somewhere. Its pretty sweet.

What I liked about Sephiroth was that he seemed to start off as an ok sort, but then went completely snooker loopy with no redemption in sight. It was well done with Kuja in number 9, don't get me wrong, but Sephy was still trying to bring down the planet from inside till the end. Full points for effort.

The only real thing Kefka had on Sephy imo was that he actually managed to destroy the world. And the laugh. And attempting to fry a guy with lightening while shouting "Run, run or you'll be well done!" Priceless.

The movie made me want to cry though. Something about it left me very cold. I sometimes wonder if I couldn’t have had more fun with some homemade FF7 finger puppets. The effects wouldn’t have been as good, granted, but I feel I might have been able to improve on the character interactions. Or the dialogue. Oh the pain.
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Postby Filth » Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:03 am

I'm fairly certain the finger puppets would have not only been more fun but would easily be an improvement on everything but the fights scenes and graphics. Brittish accents and all.
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Postby Kameru » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:03 am

Why don't you try speaking in British, Filth? I can't understand a word you're saying.

Anyway, something wasn't right about Sephy's complexion in the movie either. He looked really ill to me. I can get that in the Sephy in flames bit because he's spent weeks in a basement going nuts, but still.

Ah well. His music did still kickass.
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Postby Filth » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:29 am

Kameru wrote:Why don't you try speaking in British, Filth? I can't understand a word you're saying.


Because I'm Ameircan and I don't speak Not-Ameircan.










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Postby NightfallXD1 » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:30 pm

I think he kinda was ill... sorta...

I mean, wasn't he just possesing some guy with that sparkly stuff, not in his original body? That can't possibly make you look healthy. And when was the last time you saw him eat? Starving oneself isn't good for the complexion.

(Forgive me for not knowing who the guy or what the sparkly stuff was, I just know a little about the movie and I watched the final battle scene, so I don't know the whole deal.)
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Postby Faye_Izeara » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:36 am

Sephiroth is too vanilla, too plain. Kefka is way better he doesn't only threaten to blow up the world, he does it! Oh, and the unreal godlike powers help too.
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Postby Mickey » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:24 pm

Kameru wrote:It was well done with Kuja in number 9, don't get me wrong, but Sephy was still trying to bring down the planet from inside till the end. Full points for effort.


Yet zero points for attainment.
Fact is, Kuja managed to accomplish the same, if not more, than Sephiroth in much shorter time of being the 'true' villain. Up until the events on Terra, I think it fair to call only Garland the main big bad, until Kuja usurps him of this role.
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Postby Kara » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:17 am

Pfft Diablo is the best 8D
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Postby kooch21 » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:27 pm

yea its nice..............................................................................................................................................
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Postby psepheroth » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:41 am

I don't know. I can't say if he's the powerful, since I haven't played Final Fantasy 10 and onwards.
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Postby emilysoft11 » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:00 am

Agree.Sephiroth has outward appearance, this action, story, with want to see as the opponent of the greatest television entertainment equipment bad person the whole time
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Postby Ninmast » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:13 am

I voted, "What about orcs?" And not because I'm some pansy ditz who doesn't know her villains. I chose it for two reasons.

A: There was no "Not remotely" option, or really any "No" option at all other than choosing from two other half-baked villains.

B: Orcs are not remotely intimidating in fantasy works anymore. They're nothing more than the fodder the protagonist of the day mows through. And yet given that, they're still better than Sephiroth, who is pretty much just an angsty pretty-boy Gary Stu who's overcompensating with a sword that would bend or break whenever you tried to cut anything with it and EMPHASIZES his Gary Stu status by CLAIMING it's Masamune.

You want a villain that's better than Sephiroth? There's a ton of them. Ganondorf. The Joker. Sofia Lamb. Cain. Golbez. Heck, Rubicante SMOKED Sephiroth in terms of quality villain material and he wasn't even a Big Bad, he was just Golbez' Dragon.

People only think Sephiroth is awesome because 80% of the people being drawn to this thread are going to be the same fanboys who think all it takes to be a villain is goth clothes, an impossible weapon and as many powers as you can copy over from Wikipedia. In essence, not only is Sephiroth a ... I'll give him some credit, an upper mediocre villain, but he's one piece of the root of what's wrong with creative writing today.
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Postby Giant_Brother » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:04 am

I find myself standing on the same side as Ninmast... sort of. I have to admit, were this but a few years ago, I'd be parroting exactly what she's saying, only with a FAR more condescending tone and a greater amount of passion. However, as of late I've sort of... made my peace with Sephiroth. I know it's a very odd thing to say, and it makes me sound more like some sort of shell shocked vetern than a gamer, but it's true. I've stopped hating him with all my heart and have learned to accept his character objectively, equally weighing in the good and the bad.

Sephiroth is grossly overrated. I will admit that right now. He WAS, however, a very good villain for his story, and nowadays I remember him fondly. He was efficient, chilling, and an ever looming threat over the protagonists, particularily Cloud. Ultimately, however, I felt that Final Fantasy 7 was more like a Cosmic Horror story. Sephiroth wanted to be a god, yes. He was a human(ish) threat and villain, but his actions also very much felt like the high priest of some sort of cult dedicated to a Lovecraftian horror. WHen I think of the most dangerous threat in the Final Fantasy 7 universe, quite frankly I'm thinking of Jenova. You know, the eldritch abomination that he calls mommy?

Kefka is in a similar boat. He's a good villain, yes. He's a GREAT villain. Is he the best one I can think of? Hardly. To put it in his own words, he's "just another sadist with a God complex. Like THAT'S anything special!"

The problem with naming the greatest villain of all time is that such a title is subjective, like the greatest game or movie or hero of all time. Everyone's going to be thinking of something different as criteria for that title. While one person is going to be looking at style, another will be looking at substance. For some people, all it takes is a badass leather coat, a sword bigger than a telephone pole and an iconic theme song involving nonsensical latin chanting.

If I absolutely had to pick a villain... I'd probably place it as a tie... between Garland from Final Fantasy 1, Terumi Yuuki of Blazblue, and Marx from Kirby Super Star.
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