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Short RP Posts - Enforcement of Rules

Postby Ozental » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:55 pm

It has been commented by a forum member that the content of some of the RP posts are very brief and lack descriptive detail. The rules for all RP categories clearly state that a post/reply must have at least 2 or 3 lines:

ozental wrote:5. Each post/reply must have at least 2 to 3 lines - posts any smaller are not conveying any sort of depth to your character. Try for at least a paragraph or two in every post.

With immediate effect, I would ask that all forum members, including myself, adhere to these rules and enhance the RP experience within the role-plays. I also ask that forum moderators take appropriate actions on posts failing to meet this specification. Whilst creating longer and more descriptive posts may take a little more time, I'm sure we all agree that it will make the RPs more fun to read and partake in.
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Postby ShanQuinn » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:33 pm

I think a post should be at least two paragraphs of at least five lines in length. I am sure that two to three lines is the very least for an RP. How can a story be played out when no details are given at all?

I am glad you have a lower limit but think personally that it is very generous of you to allow such small posts.

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Postby Ashley » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:52 pm

But in the same sense sometimes a short, one line action or phrase can have the same dramatic effect that five paragraphs could. I personally think that sometimes, not all the time, short posts should be welcomed. It prevents too much detail from being put in. When putting in detail to a small line your character has done, can sometimes ruin the effect the author wants to give.

There are such things as too little detail, and also too much detail. I've read books experiecing both these problems..
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Postby ShanQuinn » Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:10 pm

Fair enough Ashley, in books which are 300 to 500 pages long, there are periods of too much detail. However, I do not believe that short, i.e. ont or two lines is the answer to RP. Even a comment such as "Oh Sh*" would be well supported by detail describing for example the jaw dropping open, the eyes flying wide etc.

Bear in mind that whilst drama is a good thing, what the individual Rp'er imagines has no bearing with what the otehr players will see. Other players can only see as much as is described.

Mr X fell on the floor in a faint. How, where, where did he land and so on. If we cannot visualise what has happened, no matter how dramatic the brief post, it is virtually impossible to perceive the action and step off from it.

I also think, one line and minimal word posts should be confined to real time chat room type role play, and even there, often you will find OOC has to be used to explain things that are not clear due to reduced information.

I have no quarrel with short posts that are clear and meaningful, but they would be rare indeed.

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Postby Gnome » Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:11 pm

Where I'm from, a group of ongoing RPs based on years of history from previous RPs, has a rule of a minimum post length of 200 words. This is to keep things from stagnating from sheer lack of content. Apparantly it has worked since it has lasted at least 2 years already (I'm pretty sure it was longer than that). From what I've seen, however, it looks as though most people write several pages of substance and add a summary of what happened at the end of their post.

This is not the norm for all the RPs, of course, but a general rule is to post something that adds substance. By substance, I mean something that moves the plot along. A simple sentance of "Joseph sat on the bench, waiting for the bus to come" doesn't add anything to the story. Nothing is happening. Normally it takes a paragraph or two to actually move along with the plot (hence the 200 word min from above). I'll agree, though, that not all short posts are bad.
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Postby Aya » Sun May 01, 2005 7:04 pm

I agree with all that. I also strongly agree with what Ashley said. I mean, sometimes if you post a spoken line, you can't keep going until you get the response from the one they are speaking to. Sometimes there is no other description to put in with the line so it ends up being just that, a single line. I think that as long as it does not happen all the time, it isn't much of a problem.
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Postby Ashley » Sun May 01, 2005 7:12 pm

Thank you Aya
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Postby NeverKnown » Sun May 01, 2005 8:37 pm

So you all agree, it’s the content not the length. The length is there to try and get the content. So, truly, we should watch out for posts the convey nothing, not the length in which someone has posted.
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Postby Ashley » Sun May 01, 2005 10:22 pm

Pretty much. I think it's the ones that show absolutely no content whatsoever continuously that need the problem fixing.
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Postby ShanQuinn » Mon May 02, 2005 1:15 pm

We are in accord.
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Postby Gnome » Mon May 02, 2005 3:42 pm

Aya wrote:I agree with all that. I also strongly agree with what Ashley said. I mean, sometimes if you post a spoken line, you can't keep going until you get the response from the one they are speaking to. Sometimes there is no other description to put in with the line so it ends up being just that, a single line. I think that as long as it does not happen all the time, it isn't much of a problem.


To keep RP's from stagnating with one-liners, shouldn't conversation/outcome be determined through PM's or other messaging (AIM, MSN, ICQ, etc.)? Otherwise you may end up with whole pages of a single short conversation. Doesn't it benefit an RP to continue along a plot rather than slow to a crawl trying to get through one conversation?
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Postby Cale » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:18 pm

Yes that is generally what OOC thread are there for Gnome.

Otherwise i agree with the above posts as well. Content is paramount. I have found that in previous RPs ive been in on other boards, it can put you and your IC in quite a quandry. Not knowing how to reply and act to what was "said".

Talking about RP's going on for long periods of time. I belonged to 2 such RP's that lasted for almost 2 years as well. The one RP we finished ( now who can say THAT!!! :wink: and as a reward we decided to bind it and send the members copies of it.. Sadly it never happened :cry: )

The other one we lost since the board had a nuking... and some members left.... very sad :cry:
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Postby Danielle » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:29 pm

That is a problem I have been seeing lately. I will be the first to admit that I have done it myself in various threads and I do slap my hands because it's literally a ruined Thread that someone took the time to create.

Several of mine have been ruined that way and only a few have worked out...breaks my heart. <3
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Postby Grimarren » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:43 pm

I agree also. I always try my best to make my posts contain enough information to make them worth posting. Although there are times when two or three sentences are more than enough, such as during a battle with another character. Its hard to post actions when they are dependant against ones opponent. Just my $0.02. :)
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Postby Ozental » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:46 pm

Some good points made there. By all means, perhaps for every 'serious' RP, there should be a similar thread in the OOC forum category - or as you say - use PMs, etc.
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Postby Hedgehog » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:41 pm

When I used to be part of a PbEM one way to have longer posts was definately have joint postings between two characters, with credit given as such. Though, I tend to find the best way to get this done is via MSN or AIM, since e-mailing it back and forth tends to be a little cumbersome.

Sometimes short posts are necessary, as when you're asking a question out of the blue and it's DM-centric. Though my favorite way around that is to lengthen a post by providing a different perspective to the same event or spoken set of words. Definately not progession in game-time, but defines your character a lot more.

There's time for both long-posts and there's time for short-posts as well. Short posts from me have the added benefit of throwing a "monkey wrench" into the works and seeing how the players react to a definately real sense of unknown and how they play around with it, like... "Suddenly, an explosion rings through the air."
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Postby Grimarren » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:15 pm

Another suggestion based from my observations is saying what your character is thinking. Why do they hate goblins? Why does so-and-so want to find out something? I've seen some of the more veteren RPers doing this, but not very many.

Anyone who has RPed with me has probably noticed that my characters think about there actions and situations as well as reacting to them. I think, when used appropriately, added comments relating to the character's thoughts can greatly inrich the character as well as the storyline.

Not only does it add to the game in these aspects, but it also gives the other RPers something to work with in allowing their characters to act in unpredictable ways or provide opportunities for social interactions.

Wow... I'm using big words again. Sorry.
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Postby Ozental » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:15 am

Oh you are so right. Writers (and I count RPers into that category) could also write about what they think, the reasons for their actions and generally being more descriptive. I'm not the best writer myself, but if I needed to, I could write a paragraph or two on what the sky looked like, as an example.
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Postby Cale » Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:08 am

Yes, every time i join and RP i make a point of it to develop my character, very much the same as a proper novelist would do. I regularly even though it doesnt immediately fit into the progression of the storyline, include methods like flashbacks of my character, emotional turmoil and private thoughts. It gives the other posters a great deal of understanding about my character and provides them a way for interacting in an IC way with mine.
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Postby Grimarren » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:49 pm

I've never been able to do flashbacks. The way I feel most comfortable developing my character is by dropping hints in what I say and think to prompt others characters to ask in regards. My character on Demon Hunters is a prime example of how I do this.

When he first comes into the RP, the others know very little about him as I only put down a basic bio. As the RP developed, I used my character's background to lead the storyline while still holding to its true overall story. Now as my character's background is mostly revealed, I'm making way for another poster to take the reins.

Its working very well.
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Postby Cale » Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:05 pm

Yeah that is also a good method, which in all honesty most of us do since initialy we dont have the great picture of a character in our minds... I had a character ( in fact one that i played for 2 years called Jayla and elvin princess ) who i came to develop to such details she was litteraly alive in my mind. She would for all intents and purpose just take over and do her own thing when Rp'ing... ( im not mad, really :wink: )

thats why enjoy this so much, to make the mind take flight knowing no bounds.
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Postby Crosshade » Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:41 pm

My character ,Eye, takes on mulitple personalities. Like in Demon Hunters, hes somewhat emotional and Hotheaded, but he has alot of triggers to make him angry.

And in Altered Beings, hes tha prankster and the guy who teases, but does it for the benefit of showing his purpose to the others. His jokes have reasons.
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Postby Sarthyne » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:36 am

I for one am a fan of longer posts. I do what Ritz does and add thought into some of my posts. In some scenes or scenarios it isn't always possible to give insight into your character through thought but I find it's possible by letting my character say something that maybe he wouldn't have normally. For instance Sarthyne might absolutely hate and despise orcs, but no one knows why, until in the heat of battle when he's fighting one he'll shout something about having been captured or tortured by orcs, or even having lost a good friend to orcs once.

I find character development to be one of the most enjoyable parts of roleplaying, and so when I go into detail in my posts and make them about a page long I try to make it all relevant. Reasons why he likes a particular brand of wine for instance have no storyline significance, (unless another character drugs him with that same wine later,) but they do give nice depth to the half-elven thief who might get boring if that was the only way I described him.

So I guess I'm in accodrance too: give quality, quantity helps but its what you say, not how much you say of it.
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Postby BlackFox42 » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:39 am

Yeah this thread is a bit dead, but I was searching the site and wanted to put in my two cents. Hope no one minds me bringing back a slightly dead thread.

Going back to the conversation thing, how you have to wait for one line from someone before you can move on or even more than that, I have been in an RP that I think effectively works around that.

PC1: Post Content pretaining to the situation. Content that would require a small action or confirmation from another PC.
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Post content pretaining to AFTER the confirmation, contuing as though the confirmation was given (or not as the situation entails). Post continues.

PC2: Post content that would go in the <Tag PC2> area.

<New> Post content that pretains to after the previous persons post (As in this is the area for the normal reply.

Well that is the bare bones of it. I think it works pretty well. Anyone have any opinions on it?

P.S. Sorry if that is slightly confusing. It is really really late at night/early in the morning (however you want to think about it) and I'm tired.
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Postby Submissive_Soul » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:45 am

Well, I'm sorta new here and wanted to add my $0.03, so here it goes. I personally don't want anything to do with 2 or 3 line postings. They are useless to me and give me nothing to go on, unless they are from the GM or DM and a background update (such as an explosion). But even then, it's always nice to know how close it was, what direction it came from, can we see or smell it, etc...

I started and RP thread here (once)...and tried to make it work. But those 10 words or less postings I got in return frustrated me and so I let it drop. I can't work off "looks in the direction of them" or "stands on top of a hill." What hill? How far are you from me? Is the sun in your eyes when you look my direction or is it in my eyes? What did you see when you looked my direction? Did I see you?

When I write for my characters I want the reader to forget about the words on the page, and see, hear, taste, smell and feel my character. I want them to know her as intimately as I do. This simply can not be conveyed in a 10 word or 3 line posting, at least not for me. My characters may not be real people (thank the gods), but I certainly want to make you question their reality and existance. If any of you would like examples of my writing, please email me (mochacream@aol.com) for logs or read some of them here .http://www.storiesfrombeyond.com/stories/ I write under the name Pam there.
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